2 September 2019 Transport Group : Minutes

Avebury Parish Council

Minutes of the Transport Group Committee meeting held 2 September 2019 at the Social Centre, Avebury SN8 1RF.

Present: Helen Ramsay, Ben Butler, Mike Bedford, Stephen Stacey, Mike Daniel.

  1. Welcome and introductions
  2. Apologies for absence: Lynne Bennett Nutt
  3. Declarations of interest: None
  4. Acceptance of minutes of 7th February 2019 and meeting notes from the 14th June 2019: Accepted
  5. Matters arising from the minutes
  6. Project progress reports from Atkins and S Hind on A4 road safety enhancement schemes at Beckhampton and West Kennett.
    1. Review and relevance of W Kennett accident in light of priorities in W Kennett scheme
    2. Atkins plans for W Kennett discussed first. Discussion on the need to close the Avenue noted that virtually no changes to the A4 could take place otherwise. Agreed that the plans achieve what we wanted. Noted that the gated access needs to highlight access not only for pedestrians and cyclists but also for emergency vehicles and farm traffic. MB to relay to Stephen Hind. Cost estimate was £330k for traffic management, design fees and risk.
    3. Beckhampton – well received, only question is why there is a two lane exit from the western approach of the A4 to the roundabout. Cost estimate was £150k for traffic management, design fees and risk. MB to ask Stephen Hind.
    4. Transport committee recommends to the Parish Council the plans are accepted as presented with amendments to W Kennett as noted above.
  7. Footpath from Avebury on A4361 to and beyond Dorwyn Manor
    1. M Daniel looking for support and advice to put in a footpath as per above as currently the only option is to walk on the A4361 itself. 219 signatures have been received to date to support this request. Bid ot be seen as first stage of a right of way between Winterbourne Monkton and Avebury. A footpath could be constructed along the left hand side of the A4361 going North as there is land to this side. Agreed that this proposal should be brought to the APC meeting on 3rd September for approval (with the support of this committee) and establish a working group to move it towards design stage. Looking for calming at the same time including double white lines along this stretch. Suggested we separate the issues of the footpath and speeding issues. Atkins’ surveys as to where to check vehicle speeds were completed in August, Stephen Hind will make a proposal to CATG on 19 September which, if accepted, might allow the work to be undertaken before the end of the year.
  8. Speed surveys on A4361 and A4
    1. S Stacey will find out more on CATG on the 19th September for the A4361. The whole of the A4361 from Beckhampton to Swindon will be surveyed for volumes and speed. No update on the A4. Manton have done some traffic counts and noted very high traffic volumes.
  9. Any other business
    1. Update on resurfacing of footpath 22 – Martin Cook contacted as no sign of activity over the summer. He meets Atkins next week and will feedback.
  10. Date of next meeting – will be decided once the footpath group “item 7a” is established.

Adjourned 20.35


14 June 2019 Transport Group Meeting : Notes

Notes from a meeting of the Transport Group Committee held on Friday 14 June 2019 at Avebury Sports and Social Club.

  1. Welcome and introductions
  2. Present: Stephen Stacey, Mike Bedford, Stephanie Burgess (project manager, senior engineer Atkins), Helen Weedon (WHS co-ordination committee), Stephen Hind (WC), Angela Norman.
  3. Apologies for absence: Moya Brennan
  4. Declarations of interest: none
  5. Acceptance of minutes of 7 February 2019: accepted (acceptance to be deferred to next meeting as meeting inquorate)
  6. Matters arising from the minutes: none of importance for this meeting
  7. Project progress reports from Atkins on A4 road safety enhancement schemes at Beckhampton and West Kennett
    1. Originally only BH scheme looked at but APC desired both to move forwards. WK and BH proposals discussed. Aim of today to conclude how to finish schemes off. SS noted this is a 4 step process and this meeting is to get us to step immediately before detailed design and implementation. Detailed design and implementation is funding dependent, the current designs we are working on will give ball park figures of construction that are more considered than the WHS estimates.
    2. WK scheme alternative were shown which has no Avenue access and no ghost island. Original work was done by a safety auditor who noted that if the right hand turn on to the Avenue was suggested then the plans would fail at safety audit at highways. Details of gating (open or locked) the avenue discussed but agreed it was something to be considered at implementation. Gating also allows opening in times of emergency. Agreed the current plans were acceptable to the APC and could be taken to next step of rough cost estimates.
    3. BH – Scheme from roundabout to Waggon and Horses shown. Basic splitter principle with gaps to allow for turning of lorries and tractors into relevant entrances/exits shown. Idea to have an on carriage bus stop not warranted as the splitter will effectively. Rest of roundabout with south exit as priority fix to be worked on for next meeting. In the next three months the design should be completed which would enable us to complete the spend of the CATG funding. Hopeful that the project could be completed in the next month.
  1. Next steps
  2. Any other business
  3. Date of next meeting: 6-9th August


  1. Beckhampton Atkins preliminary proposal
  2. WK Atkins preliminary proposal

14 June 2019 Transport Group Meeting

Avebury Parish Council

A meeting of the Transport Group Committee will be held at 12 noon on Friday 14 June 2019 at Avebury Sports and Social Club, Beckhampton Road, Avebury SN8 1RD.

All members of the public and press are welcome to attend.

Liz Moore, Parish Clerk, 7 June 2019.


  1. Welcome and introductions
  2. Apologies for absence
  3. Declarations of interest
  4. Acceptance of minutes of 7 February 2019
  5. Matters arising from the minutes
  6. Project progress reports from Atkins on A4 road safety enhancement schemes at Beckhampton and West Kennett
  7. Next steps
  8. Any other business
  9. Date of next meeting

7 February 2019 Transport Group : Minutes

Avebury Parish Council

Minutes of the Transport Group Committee meeting held 7 February 2019 at the Social Centre, Avebury SN8 1RF.

Present :  Mike Bedford, Stephen Stacey, Andrew Williamson, Helen Ramsay

  1. Membership
    1. Tim Lewis noted he wants to be taken off the committee. Having submitted his report re signage and status of footpaths early last year there has been little response from the NT and he feels the time is not well spent.
  2. Apologies for absence: Angela Norman, Tim Lewis, Moya Brennan
  3. Declarations of interest: none
  4. Acceptance of minutes of 11 June 2018 and 19 September 2018: S Stacey proposed, AW seconded, accepted.
  5. Matters arising from the minutes: all matters are on the agenda.
  6. Footpaths – Footpath 22:
    1. S Stacey met Martin Cook who noted there may be some money for FP22 and to contact Steve Leonard. Also considered FP 21 (spur to Avebury Trusloe from big arch bridge). S Stacey to follow up with S Leonard.
  7. A4 work update:
    1. Beckhampton and West Kennett:
      1. MB had phone call with S Hind 6th Feb 2019. Beckhampton plans are nearly complete but he has yet to see final version. Pressing Atkins weekly to deliver the plans – hopefully before next CATG. Noted that these plans were not what is known as detailed plans but preliminary plans. Nevertheless preliminary plans are far more detailed than the original sketches and remove most if not all potential problems that would prevent the plans being taken forwards. Suggested we meet once the plans are in to discuss outputs to sense check it is delivering what the community wants. MB to check progress with S Hind next week and report back.
      2. W Kennett. S Hind re-iterated that WK plans will not happen without closure of Avenue. We would still see value in the W Kennett plans going forward in expectation that we will get consensus. The transport group has to convince enough of the surrounding parishes to support or at least not challenge closure of the Avenue. Next discussion with S Hind to press for continuance of the W Kennett plans following 18th Feb meeting with surrounding parishes to explain our strategy.
      3. Another target in discussions could be to emphasise making cycling safe on the A4 by implementing cycle lanes which would effectively narrow the road. This should be part of the Great West Way initiative to increase tourism in Wiltshire.
      4. Trusloe. Need to consider reducing the speed limits from Avebury towards Trusloe. There is in the WHS traffic plan a proposal to have a 40mph limit from the roundabout to Trusloe. Suggested we put it in as a local area issue on the Wiltshire Council website to reduce the speed limit. MB to log this on the website.
    2. Interaction with other Parish Councils:
      1. Next meeting on 18th February at Holly Lodge ( N Fisk). Avebury, E Kennet, Fyfield and W Overton and Jill Petchey (Monkton and BB). Idea is to present the project as an A4 and WHS wide project.
    3. Next steps – action recommended
      1. Action the Trusloe reduced speed request as per 7,a,4.
  8. Priority check:
    1. Roads (Other than A4 above)
      1. A4361 50mph speed limit from Winterbourne Basset to Avebury and crossing the road for buses. Berwick Basset asked to seek support from Avebury Parish Council for traffic calming, footpaths in particular and cycling between Avebury and WM and BB. TG understands that WMBB is raising this issue with CATG.
      2. State of repair – A4361 is poor and noted M Cook asked if there was a need for white lining anywhere. Roundabout at Beckhampton is not safe  -several accidents into Beckhampton stables in the last 4 months. Improved grip may encourage greater speed. Proposed action is to push for reduced speed limit (40 mph) on the WC issue board 7,a,4 which would extend for 300m from each exit from the roundabout.
    2. Footpaths (state of repair of current)
      1. There is some support for fixing the byway circumscribing the Adam and Eve field. Is this something we put to CATG? Given only one item can go to CATG if we wish to be successful, agreed we should focus on the 40mph at Trusloe to roundabout.
    3. Footpaths – new
      1. WK to Avebury
      2. Beckhampton to Silbury Hill
        1. Agreed these are important but we need fix the current paths before we consider this.
    4. Parking:
      1. Many cars broken into in the NT car park – any responsibility of the NT to CC TV the site? Suggested APC bring this up with the NT
    5. Speed limits – particularly extension of speed limit on A4361 to Trusloe. What can we do – how can we achieve this. See 7a4.
    6. Other
  9. Any other business
  10. Date of next meeting: To be determined after CATG and 18th Feb meeting of surrounding parishes