24th October ACSReC Meeting Minutes

Minutes of the meeting of Avebury Community Sports and Recreation Committee held on Monday 24th October 2016, in the pavilion, Avebury Sportsfield

In these minutes APC stands for Avebury Parish Council, ACC for Avebury Cricket Club, ASSC for Avebury Sports and Social Club, AYFC for Avebury Youth Football Club, COG for Community Orchard Group, NT for National Trust and WC for Wiltshire Council

Present: Parish Councillors Mrs Lynzey Paradise (chairman), Mrs Maggie Lewis, Mr Stephen Stacey, Dr. Mike Bedford, Mr Dominic Fry (ACC), Mr Bruce Hinder (AYFC), Mrs Di Gater (COG), Mr Alan Blake (ASSC)

Apologies for absence None

Mrs Paradise welcomed Mr Stacey to the meeting as the newest member of the committee

  1. Minutes of the last meeting

As these had been circulated very late they were not reviewed or signed.  This will be done at the next meeting

Lease terms and conditions

Mrs Paradise and Mr Stacey reported that they had met with Catherine Hosie, NT Rural Surveyor for what was a productive and useful meeting.  Ms Hosie didn’t feel a need for the recital of the (factually accurate) history in the lease and is researching for her own satisfaction.  The recital is thought to be useful as it shows long term use by the community which could be useful when applying for funding.

The conditions of use were agreed as acceptable and Mrs Paradise asked if there were any specific prohibitions to which the answer was only activities for commercial gain.  The map seller may muddy the waters a little in this area but it was felt that as he was a part time seller this could be overlooked.

Ms Hosie asked that the NT be informed of any activities in advance as a courtesy to avoid a clash, it might be possible to liaise to run complementary events.  The committee felt that it would be nice to get more than a week’s notice of any events.  The expansion of the APC website to include a village diary would help – Mrs Gater noted that a physical diary used to be kept in the village shop.

The NT are happy to look at a 40 year lease, having initially suggested 25 years, which would also help with funding applications and they have agreed to provide a supporting letter to go with any funding applications.

Ms Hosie also told Mrs Paradise and Mr Stacey of a scheme in Lacock in which a private individual is putting a community building on NT land and she will provide some details of this to help inform ACSReC.

A meeting between NT, APC, ASSC and ACSReC to brainstorm ideas was suggested.  Mrs Paradise asked who would represent ASSC at such a meeting and Mr Fry said that he and Mr Blake would.  Mrs Gater reported that the Social Centre Committee didn’t view the idea of combining ASSC, the Social Centre and the Pavilion favourably but she would be interested in being involved.  Mr Hinder noted that, from his past experience, the agreement with the NT should be obtained first before any plans are drawn up.

Ms Hosie will now be ACSReC’s main point of contact with the NT.  A draft copy of the new lease will be sent in due course



The NT want the new noticeboard removed on the grounds that they were not consulted on the process.  Mr Fry has already circulated one email chain that indicates that they were consulted on the whole process as well as part funding it and has other emails that show that they were in the loop.  APC Chairman Mr Williamson has forwarded this to Jan Tomlin but has yet to receive a response.  A site meeting has been proposed with all interested parties.

The committee debated the objection from the NT and decided that on the evidence of co-operation from the NT no further action was required.  Mrs Lewis will check previous minutes for reference to NT being aware of the installation of the noticeboard.

Lloyd’s Bank Update

Mrs Lewis gave a brief résumé of her efforts to get the bank mandate sorted out – it would seem that 2 sets of correctly signed papers and proofs of identity from Mrs Lewis and Dr Bedford have been lost in the system and no-one knows what is happening!  Mrs Paradise asked that the complaints procedure be initiated as it has now been 9 months since the process started.

Dr Bedford gave a brief update on the budget and will go to see Mr Williamson to run through it before the APC meeting on 1st November as he is not able to attend.  The projected net outgoings are £4, 822 more than we earn at present.  The net gain/loss per year is £3-4,000.  Running costs are £4,200.  There was no income from Avebury Day.

If the outfield dressing, seeding and repairs and the cost of employing a cleaner are removed then the costs go down to £2,200 not including the capital expenditure which would be £6,486.  ACSReC will be £4,500 in debt in a year’s time if additional income isn’t generated.

Income yet to be received is £825 from the Spratts for the hire of the pavilion during their building works and £200 from Mr Colcomb in addition to the £300 already paid.

Mr Hinder suggested a fundraising committee and that participation in the village bazaar might raise some funds.  Mrs Paradise noted that Marlborough Area Board grants are capped at £5,000 but that our local councillor, Mrs Jemima Milton, is very supportive and councillor led funding isn’t capped.

Cost cutting measures were discussed at it was decided that we cannot afford to have a regular cleaner so Ms Wood’s services will be terminated.  Mrs Lewis to action.  If we don’t install new flooring and gate and undertake minimal maintenance then we could break even.

User fees to be reviewed and a possible cancellation policy – no play, no pay is the current policy but this is dependent on the weather and no shows.  Cancelled games are rearranged.

It was decided that a strategy to replace the building be formulated, that we tread water as far as the current building is concerned and fundraising is undertaken.


Until the new lease is in place it will be hard to know what we can and can’t do.  A first priority is to raise money to maintain what we already have.  It was decided that a working group should meet to discuss fundraising ideas.


The external tap has been installed and a notice informing people that the water is not suitable for drinking has been put up.  The tap should be turned off under the sink and drained after use.

User groups

    1. Community Orchard – Mrs Gater reported that the application for further work to the trees behind the pavilion has been submitted and that the work is hoped to be carried out before Christmas.  Following this clearance work will be undertaken by volunteers and more whips slit-planted and the fencing completed.  There will be some costs but there is no expectation of a contribution from ACSReC
    2. Avebury Youth Football Club – Mr Hinder asked if there should be a fee for the Sunday morning training session for the Starlets, the youngest group.  The participants pay and sessions last about an hour.  The general feeling was that no charge should be made but a donation would not be refused.

Mrs Paradise asked  that parents attending all sessions be asked not to park too far down the field so as not to damage the surface.

c. Avebury Cricket Club – ACC have gained promotion to the 1st Division.

Mr Fry reported that there is a community fund to bring an overseas player in again in 2017 who will coach the youth sides as well as play for the club.  The club has also received a grant of £10,000 from Sport England for new equipment to maintain the pitch as well as a grant for new covers.  He also reported that there had been no progress on maintenance works on copper beech on the northern side of the field, the crown of which needs raising a couple of feet.  Mrs Paradise suggested contacting Ms Hosie to see what can be done.

Date of next meeting

The next meting will be a working group to discuss fundraising and will take place on 1st December, venue to be advised.